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    • Porsche claims the 2017 991.2 generation 911 Carrera GTS laps the Nurburgring in 7:22

      This is not a proven claim and wow is it an incredible time. Porsche 'leaked' the supposed laptime to media sources which have run wild with it. Do we doubt Porsche's integrity? Not exactly. However, it sure would be nice to have a video as proof rather than a deliberate media ploy.


      Porsche says on Pirelli P-Zero Corsa N0 high performance tires the new GTS manages a 7:22 around the 'Ring. Without the optional tires, it manages a 7:26 which is still absurdly quick.

      Is it believable that tires shave 4 seconds? Absolutely. It is believable the 911 GTS is a quicker track car than a Carrera GT? Absolutely not.

      7:22 is exactly the time for the previous generation Viper ACR in a test by Dodge which happened to be an overall production car record at the time. 7:22 is 2 seconds quicker than the 997 GT2 RS as tested by Sport Auto.

      Let's just say we want proof.

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Porsche claims the 2017 991.2 generation 911 Carrera GTS laps the Nurburgring in 7:22 started by Sticky View original post
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      1. KEMA's Avatar
        KEMA -
        If these times are anywhere near accurate this will be an incredible machine. Add another 50-75 WHP from bolt ons and you're good to go.

        TopGear just tested the GTS as one of the first publications. Gave it 9/10 and pretty much named it the best Porsche in the lineup.

        Deposit placed. Delivery early June.

        Ken
      1. Kjeronimo91's Avatar
        Kjeronimo91 -
        talk about a bargain buy i wonder what the lease price on one of these bad boys will be Click here to enlarge
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Porsche is usually pretty accurate with their times, unlike some other manufacturers. They claimed 7:30 for 991.2 S and Sport Auto came within 4 sec of that time in independent testing. These new 991.2's are legit.
      1. blackshan's Avatar
        blackshan -
        Damn! If this is proven to be true, just imagine how the models not put out yet will perform. My dream of owning a turbo Porsche is getting closer and closer.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KEMA Click here to enlarge
        If these times are anywhere near accurate this will be an incredible machine. Add another 50-75 WHP from bolt ons and you're good to go.

        TopGear just tested the GTS as one of the first publications. Gave it 9/10 and pretty much named it the best Porsche in the lineup.

        Deposit placed. Delivery early June.

        Ken

        Congrats to you!

        I'm going with a base 991.2 PDK.

        Nothing fancy, just plan to add quite a bit of WHP.
      1. SpeedLimit?'s Avatar
        SpeedLimit? -
        Do people really question Porsche's performance claims? They have a history of being conservative with their claims so i'm sure the GTS is that quick if not quicker.
      1. KEMA's Avatar
        KEMA -
        Thanks Sticky. Will be sure to share pics and driving experience here.

        Did you ever come across a dyno of the 991.2 S with performance pack? I'm wondering if it's underrated compared to the modest +30 HP promise.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SpeedLimit? Click here to enlarge
        Do people really question Porsche's performance claims? They have a history of being conservative with their claims so i'm sure the GTS is that quick if not quicker.
        They are conservative but what is going on with these Nurburgring times is misleading: http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...sting-standard
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KEMA Click here to enlarge
        Did you ever come across a dyno of the 991.2 S with performance pack? I'm wondering if it's underrated compared to the modest +30 HP promise.
        No dynos with the performance package. It's so new that would be practically impossible.

        I would bet money it's underrated. Namely in the torque figure.

        With a tune it's going to a be 911 Turbo light.
      1. SpeedLimit?'s Avatar
        SpeedLimit? -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        They are conservative but what is going on with these Nurburgring times is misleading: http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...sting-standard
        I understand but Porsche is one brand that has earned the benefit of doubt from me especially since they're one of it not the first to use 'ring times.
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        Have we figured out if the power bump is tune only or if there are hardware changes?
      1. KEMA's Avatar
        KEMA -
        The theory is that the hardware is similar to the 991.2 S power kit which includes bigger turbos and upgraded cooling but haven't seen definite confirmation yet.
      1. BLKROKT's Avatar
        BLKROKT -
        Impossible
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        Impossible
        Don't agree. Sport Auto basically backed up Porsche's claim of 7:30 for the 991.2 S. 7:26 on standard tires and 7:22 on new P-Zero Corsa N0, with GTS is possible.

        Sport Auto will most likely do a GTS Supertest this year, their time will surely be sub 7:30. How low is dependent on conditions.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KEMA Click here to enlarge
        The theory is that the hardware is similar to the 991.2 S power kit which includes bigger turbos and upgraded cooling but haven't seen definite confirmation yet.
        It definitely has bigger turbos, it was stated in AutoCar review of the GTS. Not sure about other details.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        It definitely has bigger turbos, it was stated in AutoCar review of the GTS. Not sure about other details.
        Just everything in the X51 package.
      1. BLKROKT's Avatar
        BLKROKT -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        Don't agree. Sport Auto basically backed up Porsche's claim of 7:30 for the 991.2 S. 7:26 on standard tires and 7:22 on new P-Zero Corsa N0, with GTS is possible.

        Sport Auto will most likely do a GTS Supertest this year, their time will surely be sub 7:30. How low is dependent on conditions.
        It's IMPOSSIBLE that this car gets around the Ring as fast as a Viper ACR, given the same conditions (open track, weather, etc). You're on drugs if you think it is.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        Have we figured out if the power bump is tune only or if there are hardware changes?
        Yes: http://www.porscheboost.com/content....-turbochargers

        The kit is now listed on the US sites so basically confirmed.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        It's IMPOSSIBLE that this car gets around the Ring as fast as a Viper ACR, given the same conditions (open track, weather, etc). You're on drugs if you think it is.
        Well for one, the previous gen Viper ACR did a 7:12 in 2010 with Farnbacher driving. Tire technology has advanced quite a bit since 2010, along with car technology. Hell...the AMG GTR did a 7:10, that is f*cking nuts.

        A 4 sec improvement over the S is not impossible, with the extra power. An extra 4 sec with R compound tires is not impossible with the length of a 7min lap.

        We can revisit this when Sport Auto does their Supertest for the GTS. I bet Sport Auto gets mid 7:20's with the GTS on the new P-zero Corsa N0. Those extra couple of seconds are courtesy of factory driver Timo Kluck, a magician around the ring.
      1. BLKROKT's Avatar
        BLKROKT -
        Ring times are becoming the new dyno dick-measuring standard. Impossible to compare different cars on different days driven by different drivers with different equipment (tires etc), and then add in the fact that who even knows where the 'ringer' cars are hidden. It's a real shame that there's no standard, and GTS times faster than a Carrera GT as Joe mentioned just make it even less believable.

        Happy if you really think this means that your beloved GTS is as fast around the Ring as a CGT, Viper ACR, 997 GT2 RS, C6 ZR1, Zonda F, Gumpert Apollo...... Ferrari Enzo, SLS Black, GT3 RS 4.0....... I mean do I really need to go on to show you that you're living in a fantasy world? Take off the fanboy virtual reality goggles. Stack any of these up in the present with same tires same driver same days, and they ALL put AT LEAST 30sec on the GTS. EASILY. IT'S A JOKE.