Originally Posted by themyst
We are hardware builders, shiv is a tuner. It is his job to extract the horsepower from the products he has other people like us builds for him. I have never said his customers need to be out there racing their ST cars. That is their choice, I cannot tell my customers to run their turbos on dyno glory runs or the drag strip until they break a set. You want to do that, that's your choice you buy a set and see what you can get out of them. Everyone is happy with the power they are producing and I am not worried about them will matching RB power numbers if pushed as I am confident they will. As a hardware builder you build a product and you provide proof that it works as advertised, this is what we did with stage 1,2, and 3, we could have keep pushing stage 3 up until we broke the motor but we built a kit and proved it does what it is supposed to do, that is our job as a hardware builder. Another difference between our products and Shiv's is we allow people to use any tuner they choose. I know people have plans to race and hit the dyno in the very near future. We should see some more results soon "