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    • LAAS 2018 - The new 992 (2020 911) isn't a must have upgrade over the 991.2

      The new Porsche 992 generation 911 is obviously stealing all the headlines and it made its official debut at the 2018 Los Angeles International Auto Show. Porsche basically dedicated their entire hall to it with the 2020 911 S and 4S in various exterior and interior combinations.


      Can you immediately tell it is new? Yes, if you are a Porsche enthusiast. The new lights, hood, and bumper definitely stand out. The sport exhaust is interesting but the standard quad pipes actually look better in person.

      You could not see the new intercooler design under the hood. As is typical of Porsche, everything is quite tight in the back. We will not get an idea of the intercooler design until somebody takes it apart.

      The red light strips on the engine vent cover look awkward and seem unnecessary.

      The interior is a step up but hardly a huge improvement. The shift knob being replaced with... whatever that is kills the enthusiast vibe of the PDK. It's a mistake and one big enough in relation to the driving experience that many will avoid the 992 for this reason alone.

      The 992 will be a hit but thus far it is not bringing anything to the table that is making 991.2 owners jealous.




















































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      This article was originally published in forum thread: LAAS 2018 - The new 992 isn't a must have upgrade over the 991.2 started by Sticky View original post
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      1. axthomson's Avatar
        axthomson -
        I like the way it looks, but do agree with the shifter design and lack of manual. I have PDK in mind, but that was only because I got an excellent deal on my 718.
      1. BLKROKT's Avatar
        BLKROKT -
        Sorry but that looks light years better than the 991, inside and out. And no true enthusiast gives a $#@! what the transmission selection knob looks like since you only use it to put the car in drive, park or reverse anymore anyway. AND, it may just be the camera angle, but the engine looks to be more forward now, gradually creeping even more towards mid-engined than ever before. The Turbo/GT2/GT3 versions are gonna be sick.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        And no true enthusiast gives a $#@! what the transmission selection knob looks like since you only use it to put the car in drive, park or reverse anymore anyway.
        Not true whatsoever.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        Sorry but that looks light years better than the 991, inside and out
        Didn't to me.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        AND, it may just be the camera angle, but the engine looks to be more forward now, gradually creeping even more towards mid-engined than ever before.
        How you can tell this based on photos where you can't even see the engine is odd.

        It's been creeping up with each generation but I haven't seen anything about the 992 that suggests it is even more forward than the 991.2.
      1. BLKROKT's Avatar
        BLKROKT -
        It’s ok, we know you’re really sensitive about defending all things 991 now. 996 people were the same about the 997, and they were the same about the 991. Everyone who has functional eyes can tell this new car looks better. Maybe the 964 and 993 guys are the only ones who are still right...

        And I clearly prefaced my point about the engine by saying it may be the camera angle. The fans/intake look far more forward than before but it may just be that’s where the new bodywork dictated them to be. Can’t tell for sure until we see it up on a lift from below, obviously.

        And I’m right about the shift knob. If you’re not shifting with it, it doesn’t matter at all. And if it matters to you then you’re nitpicking about the wrong things because it’s irrelevant to the PDK experience.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        It’s ok, we know you’re really sensitive about defending all things 991 now. 996 people were the same about the 997, and they were the same about the 991. Everyone who has functional eyes can tell this new car looks better. Maybe the 964 and 993 guys are the only ones who are still right...
        I can afford the new car. What do you mean defending all things 991? What is worth the upgrade? The 991.2 is a huge step up over the 991.1.

        The driving experience is compromised due to to the lack of the PDK shifter and it's 100 pounds heavier.

        So I should get a heavier car that isn't as centered around the driving experience why? Because of a hood I can buy any time and an LED light strip? Whoopty doo.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        And I clearly prefaced my point about the engine by saying it may be the camera angle. The fans/intake look far more forward than before but it may just be that’s where the new bodywork dictated them to be. Can’t tell for sure until we see it up on a lift from below, obviously.
        Well I saw it in person and happen to own one and it looks the exact same...

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        And I’m right about the shift knob. If you’re not shifting with it, it doesn’t matter at all. And if it matters to you then you’re nitpicking about the wrong things because it’s irrelevant to the PDK experience.
        No you aren't and you clearly haven't shifted with it. I prefer shifting with the shift knob to the paddles same as in my M3.

        Don't tell me how I like to drive my own cars.
      1. axthomson's Avatar
        axthomson -
        I tend to shift with the knob in my PDK more than the paddles. Just so used to manual that it is a habbit. I do like the cup holder though. haha
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by axthomson Click here to enlarge
        I tend to shift with the knob in my PDK more than the paddles. Just so used to manual that it is a habbit.
        Plus it feels more natural.

        Bottom line is the choice should be ours. That is how it always was. Taking it away isn't a plus.
      1. axthomson's Avatar
        axthomson -
        I agree. I think the main reason Porsche is going away from manual is the push to EV and dues to emssions regulations. The PDK can achieve better fuel economy with the average driver over the manual. While I do believe, since I have done this myself, you can get better fuel economey with a manual if you learn shift points of the car to get into that sweet spot of power to efficeny.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by axthomson Click here to enlarge
        While I do believe, since I have done this myself, you can get better fuel economey with a manual if you learn shift points of the car to get into that sweet spot of power to efficeny.
        I find zero difference between shifting manually and letting it shift on fuel economy but I drive it like a manual.
      1. alcuin's Avatar
        alcuin -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by axthomson Click here to enlarge
        I tend to shift with the knob in my PDK more than the paddles. Just so used to manual that it is a habbit. I do like the cup holder though. haha
        me too!

        I like the exterior of the 992 more than my 991.2 Targa but the interior not at all.

        What I don't understand is the weight increase...
      1. spdracerut's Avatar
        spdracerut -
        So.... that's how MotoIQ got the pics.
      1. quattr0's Avatar
        quattr0 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alcuin Click here to enlarge
        me too!

        I like the exterior of the 992 more than my 991.2 Targa but the interior not at all.

        What I don't understand is the weight increase...
        You missed from my other post. Weight increase is due to getting ready for hybrid version coming soon. Prolly 2022 or 25.
      1. subaru335i's Avatar
        subaru335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BLKROKT Click here to enlarge
        It’s ok, we know you’re really sensitive about defending all things 991 now. 996 people were the same about the 997, and they were the same about the 991. Everyone who has functional eyes can tell this new car looks better. Maybe the 964 and 993 guys are the only ones who are still right...

        And I clearly prefaced my point about the engine by saying it may be the camera angle. The fans/intake look far more forward than before but it may just be that’s where the new bodywork dictated them to be. Can’t tell for sure until we see it up on a lift from below, obviously.

        And I’m right about the shift knob. If you’re not shifting with it, it doesn’t matter at all. And if it matters to you then you’re nitpicking about the wrong things because it’s irrelevant to the PDK experience.
        Sticky will defend to the death his opinion that flicking the big old PDK knob is the best thing in the world lol.
        Its not worth arguing.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by subaru335i Click here to enlarge
        Sticky will defend to the death his opinion that flicking the big old PDK knob is the best thing in the world lol.
        Its not worth arguing.
        Says the guy that literally uses a shift knob to shift...