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    • Porsche claims 992.2 generation hybrid 911 will be the highest performance 911 ever built

      The CEO of Porsche, Oliver Blume, talked up the 992 facelift of the Porsche 911 which with its introduction will introduce a hybrid drivetrain to the lineup. Many of us are wary about this change but he certainly is hyping it up.


      This is from an interview with Top Gear:

      Quote Originally Posted by Oliver Blume
      We have said the next 911 will add a hybrid version. That will be the highest-performance 911 of all. So it won't have the extra weight of batteries, it will be a non-plug-in hybrid. We have the experience to do thatólook at the racing 919.
      He says batteries will not weigh it down which is interesting. That really is the key after all, not ballooning the weight with batteries and electric motors. A major weight gain is what prevents current hybrids from really challenging in the enthusiast arena.

      It seems Porsche's approach will be very similar to what Vonnen is doing in placing the electric motor in between the PDK and engine.

      A weight gain is inevitable but this is the right way to do it in order to keep weight low and appease enthusiasts.

      Imagine the 992.2 Turbo S getting another 200+ lb-ft of instant electric torque for a moment. 0-60 in 2.0 flat maybe?

      This article was originally published in forum thread: Porsche claims 992.2 generation hybrid 911 will be the highest performance 911 ever built started by Sticky View original post
      Comments 9 Comments
      1. quattr0's Avatar
        quattr0 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        He says batteries will not weigh it down which is interesting.
        Perhaps they will be working with Nikola and use hydrogen solution. Claimed 40% lighter than EV battery.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by quattr0 Click here to enlarge
        Perhaps they will be working with Nikola and use hydrogen solution. Claimed 40% lighter than EV battery.
        Highly doubt that. I expect what Vonnen designed but by Porsche engineers with it being cheaper and more refined.
      1. imola_shaun's Avatar
        imola_shaun -
        Number 4 in the diagram is a flywheel that is used to store energy. Under braking an electric motor will spin it up then the flywheel itself will power a motor under acceleration. They've tested a similar setup in their race cars over the years
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by imola_shaun Click here to enlarge
        Number 4 in the diagram is a flywheel that is used to store energy. Under braking an electric motor will spin it up then the flywheel itself will power a motor under acceleration. They've tested a similar setup in their race cars over the years
        The diagram is their GT3 hybrid race setup.
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        Its going to be between the engine and transmission like the Vonnen system as the article states.

        The 8spd PDK is shorter than the 7spd and the rumor is so that there is room for the electric motor.

        The 911 Turbo S e-Hybrid will be a monster
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        The 911 Turbo S e-Hybrid will be a monster
        Guess I may hold onto the 991.2 until the 992.2 debuts then.

        I wonder if they will do this with the GT3 too. Only makes sense to add toque to that glorious machine.
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge

        I wonder if they will do this with the GT3 too. Only makes sense to add toque to that glorious machine.
        Only if the system is lightweight enough, i doubt it until solid state batteries become mainstream and porsche can do their exhaustive testing on them.
      1. Kinetic's Avatar
        Kinetic -
        The packaging of this system is a bit perplexing.

        -No Frunk any longer?
        -Parts of the system sit in the current FWD tunnel architecture for AWD models.
        -All 911 hybrids will be AWD, not just the TT?

        -No front wheel drive shaft/front is all electric, which is most likely the only way to make this work and will offer some weight savings but not in totality.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Kinetic Click here to enlarge
        The packaging of this system is a bit perplexing.
        It's actually quite simple. You need to look at the Vonnen design:

        Click here to enlarge

        Frunk still is there and AWD is not mandatory.

        It is also extremely light compared to other options and more in the spirit of a sports car.

        Porsche no doubt will improve on what Vonnen already did.